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Merging- Why it has become invariable?

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1default Merging- Why it has become invariable? on Sat Sep 22, 2012 10:45 pm

Malamaram chakkappan


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Merging- Why it became invariable?







Merging and reforms in higher secondary education is not a new event in kerala. The proposed reforms in the area of higher secondary is based on the Right to education act which stands for free education to children and access of all type of education to all type of children. It is being evaluate as only a low percentage of students are now under vocational stream and it is not sufficient to cope with the future challenges. The quality given at present is also questioned by reformers and the depth study made by NVEQF shows the present system of vocational stream is too far away from the objectives to be acheived.The reforms proposed by MHRD also includes structural change in the system of Education. Admission at 6 years and then 1 to 5 Lower primary,6 to 8 upper primary and 8 to 12 secondary class is termed as structural change.







This shows that the present dilemma of stoppage of VHSE is not mere the problem of vhse staff and referring it as a 'problem' is actually foolishness. It comes as the part of whole educational reforms proposed and launched as test launching. SSDP(State Skill Develoment Project) and ASAP(Additional Skill Acquisition Programme) as already started their promotional activities and is expected to start work in this academic year itself.The whole reforms effect not only VHSE but also Higher secondary,technical higher secondary,technical education and the general education also.The reforms may vanish/make a change in the course and composition of any of the abovesaid department.Then my question is why VHSE staff is anxious and most of them protest/accept merging.It is obvious to all that the staff in VHSE Kerala are polarized and one group is working in favour of merging and the other shows severe enemity to the suggestion of merging.The other departments namely HSS,THSS,Gen.Edn even never discuss this matter as there is no problem of vanishing the department.







Curiously in ITI, under technical education the courses are obsolete and the output is not with much quality as the practical laboratory facilities are also piteous and even there is no opportunity to higher studies except in poly technique, the staff in that department is not so anxious as VHSE. There is no discussion of merging or stoppage. Why?The answers may be many.But atlast all answers agree in one point- Our department is not in a good position to look from outside. The nice curtains in the windows will never hide the bad smell inside. All those who watches the functioning of VHSE can find something is rotten in our department .And so the VHSE is in bad condition since its starting






Who is responsible for this?







There is no meaning in look for the "jatakam" of a died baby.The committed crimes cannot be reversed and so fixing responsibilities of this bad position is also has no meaning.Yet it may be a Manuel for every department which wants to be relevant for people if it is described. One can understand 'what should not do' and what will be its consequence if all 'should not do' is only done.


Generally speaking all staff(I am not an exeption) are knowingly or unknowingly responsible for getting the department to a bad image among the minds of people and general public. In its early starting the no.of courses,their recognition, study materials, lab facility and equipments and all were a problem.In Kerala, among parents there had a conceptual challenge also-They approved only straight line education as LP,UP,HS,Pre-Degree and Degree. The turn after SSLC to Vocational/Technical Education were considered as foolish by most of parents and they felt the vocational education may lead their child to early entry in trade work like wireman/Electrician and it is indigenous work. So their opportunity to get graduation and white collar may lapse.This conceptual challenge to Vocational education is not fully erased even today.The different groups and their contribution to the ruin of VHSE is depicted here

1. The Govt/Educational thinkers and other authorities

Every commission by Govt on Education has indicated the importance and guidance to the construction and developing vocational education. But the bureaucratic groups ever took this a fund mis utilization or an opportunity for corruption. The educational thinkers never acted for changing the traditional concept of parents. The local authorities also were more concerned only about primary and secondary formal education The Directorate of Vocational Higher Secondary was setup. The manpower requirement to deal with was insufficient in directorate even in the earlier days. There were no permanent staff in most of schools. The appointment began at 90s. There were no effort to improve staff pattern in the Directorate even today(Now it is 389 schools. But there is no increase in number of staff).The topmost officials had not any special know-how about vocational system and they lead the department as like other educational departments

2. The Ministerial staff





The group who made most injuries to the department is Ministerial staff-Some of them knowingly and some as its consequences. The 90s is earmarked in VHSE by appointment/Deputation of clerks and peons to the VHSE. The newly recruited and deputed/redeployed staff identified the opportunity of developing their pocket in VHSE.It was like hunting an unfound treasure.(In the last part of Malayalam movie 'Kadhanayakan' the relatives of 'Karanavar' is busy with getting valuables-That like situation was in VHSE where valuable gazetted teacher posts were vacant and no special rule and qualification for them)They were all in all of school,most of them had power of principal or beyond principal. The guest teachers were toys and prayed for their mercy. SSLC qualification and the control over B.Ed holders made them mad of power.Many of them wanted money. They in one way or other purchased degree certificates and post graduation and even served in the kitchen of authorities for getting temporary appointment as Vocational and Non vocational Teachers.Soon the opportunities became rare and the unqualified and result awaiting ministerial worked for issuing continuous circular to make their colleagues out from gazetted post. The clash and and 'snake and mongoose play' by them still throw mud on the walls of the department. Moreover the unqualified teaching staff has worked for many years in VHSE as teachers and this made a bad public image in VHSE.(People see teachers as teachers and clerks are only clerks for them.)

3. The aided sector





Soon the establishment of VHSE, the aided management saw an ocean of money is coming towards
them.Three vocational staff in each course! Their expectation became high as sky..and there is no risk.The class can be attended by any of them and so there no need continuous attention of Manager whether class becomes continuously vacant or not. The computer related and medical related courses may fetch a good amount from students

Yet the aided school teachers had shown good models.In govt sector VHS sector were 'no man's army since and after appointment of staff. But aided sector made a good image in the public about VHSE(I like to say here that I am from a Govt School)

4. Miscellaneous events






In 2004 VHSE Special rules were drafted, But its creation was also misused by some person's for their personal purpose, Especially the qualification of the post. For eg.The qualification of vocational teacher in accountancy and auditing was Mcom with financial management specialization. There was no need of mentioning this specialisation because All Mcom syllabus contained accounting except marketing specialised Mcom. But the Ministerial involved in drafting added the specialization to make other ministerial who studied Mcom marketing by distance education,not to apply when PSC calls for By Transfer appointment. This type of fixing qualification made the enmity a war between the ministerials

The curriculum reform also made as not so serious. The obsolete courses can be dropped before appointment of permanent staff. But the authorities not looked on students but on their benefit Public service commission and their appointment also became controversial in many of trade's vocational staff.The science oriented questions for VHSE Qualified Lab Technical assistant exam brought more candidates from science trades and they were appointed in other trades. The catogerisation and post has no relation. The lab assistants in my school is totally disordered.One is studied VHSE MLT and has named in gradation list as LTA in MLT but now is working in accountancy and auditing. Likewise the PSC changed qualification in the middle for some trades-The voctional
nstructors in clothing and Embroidery has been appointed before 4year's but even not regularised yet
because of a petition in relation with appointment is in Supreme Court


5. The Vocational Teachers






Like ministerials VTs have a big contribution in freezing the name of VHSE. Actually the revolution had to be come from their part as they are concerned with the trade. Though they were not professional teachers like NVT with B.Ed and a good understanding over the psychology of students they were trade specialist who can transact the skill and craft in a better way like a carpenter(he is not a teacher with B.Ed qualification-still take fresh assistants and transact the whole work within some months). But what actually happened? They started agitation and placed NVT as their enemy, The complex of not being B.Ed qualified made them to behave like this. They argued Non vocational has no place in VHS and should give importance to vocational subject-By the end there were no opportunity for further study. They engaged only 8 periods and drawn a salary of Gazatted staff. The practical is divided to VIs and LTAs and not take any interest. I know many VTs who has even not seen the lab yet after their appointment before 3 years. They disappeared from school by the names as OJT,PTC etc. which was not real. After onam vacation there will not be VT in my school.

They may have gone for searching OJT Centres or purchasing things for PTC. When asked they will shout in return and have '1000 tongue' on OJT and PTC-It seems that the sky may fallen down if there is no OJT.Actually they are going for their personal needs or business.Yet they sign in class log for 32 periods in a week


6.Non Vocational teachers






The contribution to decline of VHSE by NVT-both Junior and Senior is as much as VTs. They placed VTs as their opponents and concentrated more in making obstacles in their way than teaching students and working for their progress. Some of them were showmen and show off their pride as B.Ed holders only to humiliate VTs.They illustrated VTs as non-trained teachers and advocated students that Non-vocational subjects are only important and getting high grades in NVT subject will only help them.The Junior teachers were more free with only 2 periods per day but many of them were complaining about their work load in contrast with Higher secondary and argued they must be considered as senior teachers with present work load-It was a trick to catch fish without getting wet-for Travel and Tourism is only major course in Humanities(catering and restaurant mgt is also converted to humanities but is not popular) and all teachers in History,Geography and Economics are Juniors and there is no Senior post at all. When there is 3batches of TT course in one school, then only they have the opportunity to become senior with a high 24 periods per week.For Physics,Chemistry and Biology there needed 3 science courses to get senior post,but the schools having such posts may be in far districts and should have to work there to get the privileges of a Gazetted officer...Then what use? Now is working in schools just 'under the nose' and if gets the power of Gazetted it should be got in front of the native people-So you must change special rule,contrast the word hours and periods and express the work in seconds or micro seconds.....Teachers bothered only about their work load was a shame to all VHSE


7.GFC Teacher





The aim of GFC is inculcating in and promoting students with entrepreneurship qualities.The teacher who should teach GFC must have equipped with innovative skills and mobility-actually they are not teaches who teaches theory and so only 2 periods per class per week.They had a lot of role in developing creativity and self initiaton among students.They can take up the charge of NSS and Career Guidance and Counsiling. All these are dream in many of the present VHS in kerala. Most of the GFC teachers are ladies but not rise to occasional needs of providing mobility and confines themselves with family and children. They adjust their work of 8 hours (where there having 3 or more courses) to 4 hours by combining all the class in to one batch. Thus they have no period in 2 days of week and simply sits in their home without giving application for any type of leave.This is done handing over the charge of Career guidance to any VT who has already to attend 20 or more hours.They make use it as another 'cause' to not to come to school where PTC and OJT 'cause' cannot be applied.And thus other staff also need adjustment and effects the academics.The charge of NSS is also like this. The activity needs more outdoor duty and so GFC teacher is correct match whose engagement not very much effect the daily engagement of class. But in many schools VTs are in charge and uses it as a curtain to do their personal business.


8. Vocational instructors






In the previous year there was training for instructors,in the session of explaining Lesson plan one of the instructor asked."Sir why do we need lesson plan? We have no independent periods and all Vocational Practical periods are under the supervision of Vocational Teacher. Then the teacher must have been prepared a plan for that practical work and we have only to follow that." The trainer couldn't give clear answer

VI post is considered as one of the waste post in VHSE. With VT and LTA the practical works can be fulfilled and no need of instructors.In some trades there is not enough lab facilities and instructors have no duty at all. To make involved them in academic activities VTs give portion of theory to them which is dangerous- Even in the tuition centers of remote villages under graduate people are not allowed to teach.By comparing themselves with others instructors are dissatisfied group and this make them to work without honesty. GFC teachers have only 8 hours engagement,Juniors have 12,VT Drawing gazetted salary has practically 8 hrs,The HSAs with their same scale have only 12 periods. So they consider them as 'crucified'.This approach makes a shadow in their whole work.



9. Lab Technical Assistant






The trade which studied and trade which they got appointment is different. It was out of lack of planning. The injury made by this to whole department is so serious as it made an image in staff of other department that "Vhse is department were people drawing salary for nothing". It is being said that there is sons and daughters of the high politicians and officials working as LTA at present and so their scale is differ from lab assistants of HSS.

The role of LTAs are not defined as so they have no special role. The maintenance of valuable practical equipments are made by private service in many schools.In my school the formatting of computers fetch Rs 500 from PTA Fund and is done by private agency. Even oiling of typewriter is done by private and still there is 2 lab assistant in commerce course with more than 10000 salary per month


My expressions are not meant for personal criticism. I know many persons in the all above said categories working sincerely.Treat and reply it as General facts and criticism. The points cited here is based on a Guest teacher worked in many VHS School and this his evaluation about VHS






Yes.... Changes should come. You may think the other departments are also like this. But it is not true. there also have problems but will not be severe like this.There will not be any department to degrade as VHSE We must work towards restructuring. Even the present attempts of Govt fails and VHSE is going to continue next year like this pupils may join and can continue with curtains of PTC,OJT etc.We can work under the threat of degrading at any time. If we are under general education or New rebuilt HSS it will be much secure for our job and for community.

2default Re: Merging- Why it has become invariable? on Mon Sep 24, 2012 8:13 am

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Why this Kolaveri Kolaveri daa?


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3default Re: Merging- Why it has become invariable? on Tue Sep 25, 2012 9:58 pm

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What is this?

4default Re: Merging- Why it has become invariable? on Thu Sep 27, 2012 4:42 pm

jaseena


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Some thing on Merging

Read the opinions presented here by the member. I think he/she is one who hates the department for his/her own cause. His arguments are one sided and may be from his personal judgements. It may be true in individual cases but generalising it as a very common facts is stupid. He/She may not satisfied on his working environment and the arguments may 100% correct in his/her school level. He has no right to say every where in VHSE is like his school where VTs and NVTs clash each other

It's too much.

We are eager to know the trends and events about merging of VHSE.And no question of fear-Yet the confusions makes us irritated,when asked to authorities ,we never got clear answers on merging. That is the present problem- Who can give the right answers? The guess and rumours make more confused and please post some matters and facts


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5default It's also about on merging VHSE on Mon Oct 01, 2012 1:39 pm

raman


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It's also about on merging VHSE



Dear Chakkappan


Your opinions are one-sided. In my observation your arguments are overspoken. Jaseena's observation about you seems correct. I think a restructuring of our Department is essential,but it will not be the stoppage of entire Department. The vocational education is a need of time especially in Kerala where about 1lakh B-Tech holders are generated in a year. A true B-tech holder requires atleast 5 craftsman and so there is need of a specially skilled people in each trade- VHSE can provide a good percentage of such people. The central government also stands for strengthening vocational Education. I think this could be possible only through strengthening the prevailing system. There is no need of stopping this and starting a new one

You support merging the present VHSE with Higher Secondary Department? We have come to this department either by PSC or joined in aided because there is ideal post is available to us. It is not a crime. The authorities should have a plan before appointing staff. The recruited staff could not be blamed for the 'uncertainities' of their duties.

Do you think you may get a warm welcome in HSc if two are merged? The resistance of the present HSc staff will be a threat to VHSE migrated staff and they will be treated as step children for ever? Who offered you posts in Hsc corresponds to your qualification? You have already seen the 'cold war' between VT and NVT. But if merging with HSc is carried there will be 'world war' between merged and old

Changes should have to come. But should be in a straight way. Why it is done as a hidden agenda?



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6default Re: Merging- Why it has become invariable? on Mon Oct 01, 2012 7:22 pm

Malamaram chakkappan


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safeerm wrote:Why this Kolaveri Kolaveri daa?

I am not responsible for misunderstanding realities as kolaveri

ganeshh wrote:What is this?

Have you any problem in reading English? Please consult a good English teacher

jaseena wrote:Read the opinions presented here by the member. I think he/she
is one who hates the department for his/her own cause. His arguments are
one sided and may be from his personal judgements. It may be true in
individual cases but generalising it as a very common facts is stupid.
He/She may not satisfied on his working environment and the arguments
may 100% correct in his/her school level. He has no right to say every
where in VHSE is like his school where VTs and NVTs clash each other

It's too much.

We
are eager to know the trends and events about merging of VHSE.And no
question of fear-Yet the confusions makes us irritated,when asked to
authorities ,we never got clear answers on merging. That is the present
problem- Who can give the right answers? The guess and rumours make more
confused and please post some matters and facts

കണ്ണടച്ച് ഇരുട്ടാക്കിയാല്‍ ഇരുട്ടാവുകയില്ല. കേരളത്തിലെ തൊണ്ണൂറു ശതമാനം വി എച്ച് എസ് സി കളില്‍ നടക്കുന്ന കോപ്രായങ്ങള്‍ കോമണ്‍ ഫാക്റ്റ് അല്ലാത്തക്കുന്നത് സ്വയം വിഡ്ഢിയക്കുന്നതിനു തുല്യമാണ്


ശ്രീ രാമാനുള്ള മറുപടി പിന്നീട്

7default Re: Merging- Why it has become invariable? on Mon Oct 01, 2012 7:23 pm

Malamaram chakkappan


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raman wrote:Dear Chakkappan


Your
opinions are one-sided. In my observation your arguments are
overspoken. Jaseena's observation about you seems correct. I think a
restructuring of our Department is essential,but it will not be the
stoppage of entire Department. The vocational education is a need of
time especially in Kerala where about 1lakh B-Tech holders are generated
in a year. A true B-tech holder requires atleast 5 craftsman and so
there is need of a specially skilled people in each trade- VHSE can
provide a good percentage of such people. The central government also
stands for strengthening vocational Education. I think this could be
possible only through strengthening the prevailing system. There is no
need of stopping this and starting a new one

You support
merging the present VHSE with Higher Secondary Department? We have come
to this department either by PSC or joined in aided because there is
ideal post is available to us. It is not a crime. The authorities should
have a plan before appointing staff. The recruited staff could not be
blamed for the 'uncertainities' of their duties.

Do you think you
may get a warm welcome in HSc if two are merged? The resistance of the
present HSc staff will be a threat to VHSE migrated staff and they will
be treated as step children for ever? Who offered you posts in Hsc
corresponds to your qualification? You have already seen the 'cold war'
between VT and NVT. But if merging with HSc is carried there will be
'world war' between merged and old

Changes should have to come. But should be in a straight way. Why it is done as a hidden agenda?



ഓ ജെ ടി, പി ടി സി എന്നിങ്ങനെ നൂറായിരം പേരില്‍ സമൂഹത്തെയും ഗവന്മേന്റിനെയും വിദ്യാര്‍ഥികളെയും വഞ്ചിച്ചു കൊണ്ടിരിക്കുന്ന ഒരു ഡിപ്പാര്‍ട്ട്മെന്റിനു വേണ്ടി രാമന്‍ സര്‍ വക്കാലത്ത്‌ പിടിക്കുന്നത് എല്ലാം അറിഞ്ഞു കൊണ്ട് തന്നെയാണെങ്കില്‍ അത് ക്രിമിനല്‍ കുറ്റം തന്നെയാണാശാനെ.തൊഴിലധിഷ്ഠിത വിദ്യാഭ്യാസം ഇവിടെ പാടില്ല എന്നാരും പറഞ്ഞിട്ടില്ല, പക്ഷെ ഉടായിപ്പ് വീരന്മാര്‍ മൊത്തത്തില്‍ സമ്മേളിച്ച ഈ ഡിപ്പാര്‍ട്ട്മെന്റ് നെ നന്നാക്കാന്‍ നോക്കിയാല്‍ നന്നാവില്ല. പ്രൊമോഷനും ട്രാന്‍സ്ഫര്‍ നും ഒക്കെ ബുദ്ധിമുട്ട് ഉള്ള ഈ ഡിപ്പാര്‍ട്ട്മെന്റ് നേക്കാള്‍ ഭേദം വിവേചനം കാണിച്ചാലും ഹയര്‍ സെക്കണ്ടറി തന്നെ.

8default Re: Merging- Why it has become invariable? on Tue Oct 02, 2012 9:23 am

satheesh


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Merging or restructuring our department is necessary. We may have got enough students in this year- But in future there will not be popularity for vhse among students if it is carried as now


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9default Re: Merging- Why it has become invariable? on Tue Oct 02, 2012 11:46 pm

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Hello chakkappan,
My question of 'what is this' was not based on my inability to read or understand the English language. I actually meant 'what nonsense have written by you'.
I am not born in London and so my English usage may be incorrect. So happy to accept your advice to consult an English teacher. But one who advise others should posess such abilities. Your written essay contains a lot of mistakes. I am not explaining here for the objective of this topic is not finding grammar mistakes. So please not turn from the right way of discussion by personal criticism

10default Re: Merging- Why it has become invariable? on Wed Oct 03, 2012 6:44 pm

Malamaram chakkappan


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ganeshh wrote:Hello chakkappan,
My question of 'what is this' was not based on my inability to read or understand the English language. I actually meant 'what nonsense have written by you'.
I am not born in London and so my English usage may be incorrect. So happy to accept your advice to consult an English teacher. But one who advise others should posess such abilities. Your written essay contains a lot of mistakes. I am not explaining here for the objective of this topic is not finding grammar mistakes. So please not turn from the right way of discussion by personal criticism

വ്യക്തിപരമായ വിമര്‍ശനം ഞാന്‍ ഉദ്ദേശിച്ചിരുന്നില്ല.എങ്കിലും എന്റെ വാക്കുകള്‍ ഗണേഷിനെ വേദനിപ്പിച്ചെങ്കില്‍ നിര്‍വ്യാജം ക്ഷമ ചോദിക്കുന്നു. റിപ്ലൈ വേണ്ടെന്ന് വിചാരിച്ചെങ്കിലും മറുപടി വേണ്ടിവന്നു. ഗണേഷ്‌ പറഞ്ഞതുപോലെ ചര്‍ച്ചയുടെ ഗതി മാറാതിരിക്കാന്‍ അത് വിടുന്നു.

11default Re: Merging- Why it has become invariable? on Sun Oct 07, 2012 2:28 pm

raman


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Malamaram chakkappan wrote:




ഓ ജെ ടി, പി ടി സി എന്നിങ്ങനെ നൂറായിരം പേരില്‍ സമൂഹത്തെയും ഗവന്മേന്റിനെയും വിദ്യാര്‍ഥികളെയും വഞ്ചിച്ചു കൊണ്ടിരിക്കുന്ന ഒരു ഡിപ്പാര്‍ട്ട്മെന്റിനു വേണ്ടി രാമന്‍ സര്‍ വക്കാലത്ത്‌ പിടിക്കുന്നത് എല്ലാം അറിഞ്ഞു കൊണ്ട് തന്നെയാണെങ്കില്‍ അത് ക്രിമിനല്‍ കുറ്റം തന്നെയാണാശാനെ.തൊഴിലധിഷ്ഠിത വിദ്യാഭ്യാസം ഇവിടെ പാടില്ല എന്നാരും പറഞ്ഞിട്ടില്ല, പക്ഷെ ഉടായിപ്പ് വീരന്മാര്‍ മൊത്തത്തില്‍ സമ്മേളിച്ച ഈ ഡിപ്പാര്‍ട്ട്മെന്റ് നെ നന്നാക്കാന്‍ നോക്കിയാല്‍ നന്നാവില്ല. പ്രൊമോഷനും ട്രാന്‍സ്ഫര്‍ നും ഒക്കെ ബുദ്ധിമുട്ട് ഉള്ള ഈ ഡിപ്പാര്‍ട്ട്മെന്റ് നേക്കാള്‍ ഭേദം വിവേചനം കാണിച്ചാലും ഹയര്‍ സെക്കണ്ടറി തന്നെ.


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12default Re: Merging- Why it has become invariable? on Sun Oct 14, 2012 12:48 pm

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The voting trend shows 75% supports the merging or restructuring


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13default Re: Merging- Why it has become invariable? on Fri Oct 26, 2012 3:32 pm

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Being a ministerial staff I like not to say the remarks refered here about ministerial staff. But the writer is one who know nothing about the past of VHSE.
Now no time. Detailed reply will be drafted soon.

14default Re: Merging- Why it has become invariable? on Sat Oct 27, 2012 8:21 pm

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ernakulam wrote:Being a ministerial staff I like not to say the remarks refered here about ministerial staff. But the writer is one who know nothing about the past of VHSE.
Now no time. Detailed reply will be drafted soon.

I never claimed in my post that I am one who know everything about VHSE.ഇനി മിനിസ്ടീരിയാല്‍ സ്റ്റാഫ്‌ നെ ക്കുറിച്ച് നല്ല വാക്കുകള്‍ എഴുതി വെച്ചാലേ ഞാന്‍ എന്തെങ്കിലുമൊക്കെ അറിയുന്നവനായി അംഗീകരിക്കൂ എന്ന് ചിലര്‍ തിട്ടൂരം വെച്ചിട്ടുണ്ടെങ്കില്‍ എന്നെ ഒരു ചുക്കും അറിഞ്ഞു കൂടാത്തവനായി അത്തരം ആളുകള്‍ വിലയിരുത്തിയാല്‍ എനിക്ക് സന്തോഷമേ ഉള്ളൂ. വി എച്ച് എസ് സി യിലെ ഇപ്പോഴത്തെ അവസ്ഥയും അതിനു പശ്ചാത്തലം ഒരുക്കിയ സംഭവവികാസങ്ങളും അതില്‍ മിനിസ്ടീരിയാല്‍ സ്റ്റാഫ്‌ നു ഉള്ള പങ്കും വിലയിരുത്താന്‍ അത്ര വല്യ വിവരത്തിന്റെ ആവശ്യമൊന്നും ഇല്ല എന്നത് വേറെ കാര്യം.

I am not an enemy of any class or category of staff in VHSE.


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15default The other side on Sun Oct 28, 2012 9:29 pm

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The other side


As you know I am a ministerial staff in VHSE. I don't like to comment on the post of maintopic because the language used in that description is too much one sided. The topic starter said only one side about ministerial staff. He says that he likes to be called "one who know nothing about VHSE "by people like me. I am not the representative of ministerial staff here and basically I have my own service problems and complaints.I have no problem whether someone abuse ministerial staff of the department and will not have any enjoyment on praising ministerial staff.The praising or abusing may be someone's business and they may find happiness in doing so



I request all the users reading this to look back to 20-25 years ago. There was no manpower in this department. The school HMs were children in the area of nature of VHSE. The clerks and peons were recruited to this department around the starting of 1990. We like people entered to this department with a lot of expectation- The burden of duty was so much. The students were enrolled but there was no permanent teachers, For some trades there were no correct faculties and the we were exposed to the shouts and abuses of Parents and authorities.Today there is enough staff and present staff could even not think about that situation. Merging and stoppage of this department is not a new event. The government even tried to stop the VHSE in those days also. We ministerials opposed it because if we are redeployed to other we may be juniors and may have so problems.

The promotion and growth is the right of an employee. Ministerials are not joined in this department by taking an oath that 'we should retire from department from the same post itself. But some of us remarked that this is a bonsai department and the possibility of promotion is less in this department. My colleagues who entered in service in the same period of me is head clerk or more that today. But I have become only a UDC. The LDC in other education departments namely General Education have a lot of opportunities to be promoted to teaching posts. But in VHSE there is no use in such reservation. Presently 2:1:7 or 10% is the quota of ministerial staff for vocational teaching section namely VT and VI. How many clerks may have MCA/BTech and such professional Degrees? If they have such degrees they may not sit here as a clerk. So there no use of reservation and the post is vacant.



The attempt to take degree and PG through Distant Education is common in all Department and it is aimed to promotion.Many of us also have taken BEd and such Degrees by taking leave. The role of ministerials in drafting special rule were minimum and the authorities tried to avoid ministerials maximum. The qualification for VT in Marketing was only MBA in special rule- Later added Mcom plus PGDBM or Mcom Marketing. Putting MBA was to avoid ministerials with Mcom and Diploma

If we have to reply it will never end and has to say more on our disappointment towards the department. They give nothing to us. We have heard a lot of curses from our joining to present and may to hear in future. But you like people must understand onething- After 2005 a lot of staff is appointed in various post of this department and getting salary from govt. It is the result of our fight to those who tried to stop this department. We know all are going not perfect now, but even this structure is the contribution of ministerials who supported this department in their own head without power of a principal or nothing for more than a decade. You must express thanks to us for keeping the light of VHSE when authorities tried to put out it

Thank you

16default Re: Merging- Why it has become invariable? on Thu Nov 01, 2012 7:13 am

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it is necessary to locate certain changes in VHSE

17default Re: Merging- Why it has become invariable? on Sat Nov 03, 2012 10:52 pm

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''Ernakulam'' സാറിന് മറുപടി തരാം. വായിച്ചിട്ട് ദിവസങ്ങളായി. ചില തിരക്കുകള്‍ കാരണം സമയം കിട്ടുന്നില്ല.


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18default Explanation for replies on Sat Nov 10, 2012 5:27 pm

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Thanks for everyone who replied for my post "why merging invariable" I could not reply to some due to some engagement. Mr Ernakulam have written the role of ministerial staff to support the department in trouble under the title the other side. The heading itself support my arguments and proves he never denies it.(He agrees my stand unknowingly). He explained the positive role of ministerial staff.But the discussion was ever on the negative side which was dominant over the positives.My subject was also concerned with the role of every group of staff to contribute the public image of stopping VHSE has became necessary( Even teacher's organisations were supporters of merging). The
feeling still exists that VHSE is a Department just only for getting salary for staff and no use to society.Ministerial staff have also contributed to make this feeling in the mind of people. There is so many ministerial staff who continued as teachers even after disqualified by special rule and not agreed to revert. Open the eyes and look-you can see many of them still working by fake distant degrees and diplomas





വി എച്ച് എസ് സി ലയനം എന്തുകൊണ്ട് അനിവാര്യം ആയി എന്ന എന്റെ ടോപിക്കിനു ഇതേവരെ റിപ്ലൈ ചെയ്ത എല്ലാവര്‍ക്കും നന്ദി. ചില തിരക്കുകള്‍ കാരണം പലര്‍ക്കും മറുപടി നല്കാന്‍ കഴിഞ്ഞില്ല.The other side എന്ന തലക്കെട്ടില്‍ എറണാകുളം സര്‍ മിനിസ് ട്ടീരിയല്‍ ജീവനക്കാരെയും ഈ വകുപ്പിനെ താങ്ങി നിര്‍ത്താന്‍ അവര്‍ ചെയ്ത പ്രയാസങ്ങളെയും കുറിച്ച് വിശദമായി എഴുതി.The other side എന്ന ഹെഡിംഗ്‌ തന്നെ ഞാന്‍ പറഞ്ഞ കാര്യങ്ങളെ അദ്ദേഹം നിരാകരിക്കുന്നില്ല എന്ന്‍ തെളിയിക്കുന്നു.(ഞാന്‍ പ്രസ്താവിച്ച വശം ഉണ്ടായിരുന്നു എന്ന്‍ ഒരുപക്ഷെ അറിയാതെ സമ്മതിക്കുന്നു) അദ്ദേഹം മിനിസ് ട്ടീരിയല്‍ ജീവനക്കാര്‍ വഹിച്ച പോസിറ്റീവ് ആയ പങ്കിനെ വിശദീകരിച്ചു.പക്ഷെ ആ പോസിറ്റീവ് വശങ്ങളെ നിഷ് പ്രഭാമാക്കി പൊതുജനങ്ങളുടെയും സമൂഹത്തിന്‍റെയും മുമ്പില്‍ പ്രത്യക്ഷമായ നെഗറ്റീവ് വശങ്ങള്‍ ആണ് അന്നും ഇന്നും കൂടുതല്‍ ചര്ച്ച ചെയ്യപ്പെട്ടത്. വകുപ്പിനെ ലയിപ്പിക്കേണ്ടത് തന്നെയാണെന്ന ഒരു ശക്തമായ പൊതുവികാരം (പ്രമുഖ അധ്യാപക സംഘടനകള്‍ പോലും അനുകൂലിക്കുന്ന വിധത്തില്‍) ഉണ്ടാക്കിയെടുക്കാന്‍ ഈ വകുപ്പിലെ മിനിസ് ട്ടീരിയല്‍ ജീവനക്കാര്‍ ഉള്‍പടെ ഓരോരുത്തരും എത്രമാത്രം പങ്കു വഹിച്ചു എന്നതായിരുന്നു എന്റെ വിഷയം. വി എച്ച് എസ് സി വെറുതെ ശമ്പളം വാങ്ങുന്നവരുടെ വകുപ്പാണെന്ന ധാരണ ഇപ്പോഴും നിലനില്‍ക്കുന്നു. ആ വാദത്തെ അന്വര്‍ത്ഥമാക്കുന്നതിലും അതിനുള്ള ഭൂമിക ഒരുക്കുന്നതിലും മിനിസ് ട്ടീരിയല്‍ ജീവനക്കാര്‍ അവരുടേതായ പങ്കു വഹിച്ചിട്ടുണ്ട്.താല്‍കാലികമായി അധ്യാപകരായി നിയമിക്കപ്പെട്ട ഒരുപാടു പേര്‍ സ്പെഷ്യല്‍ റൂള്‍ വന്ന ശേഷം യോഗ്യത ഇല്ലാതെ തസ്തികയില്‍ തുടര്‍ന്നതിനും റിവേര്‍ട്ട് ചെയ്തു പോകാന്‍ വിസമ്മതം കാട്ടിയതിനും ഉടായിപ്പ് വിദൂര ഡിഗ്രിയും ഡിപ്ലോമയും എടുത്ത് ഇന്നും തുടരുന്നതും ഒന്ന് കണ്ണോടിച്ചാല്‍ മതി.


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19default Re: Merging- Why it has become invariable? on Mon Feb 04, 2013 8:10 pm

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Oust all staff (aided and govt) who do not possess the qualifications prescribed by the special rules

20default Re: Merging- Why it has become invariable? on Fri Feb 08, 2013 9:24 pm

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gopakumar wrote: Oust all staff (aided and govt) who do not possess the qualifications prescribed by the special rules

Sir
I know atleast 5 vocational teachers in govt school who does not posses the required qualification. All of them are transfer from ministerial staff.For legal reasons I could not mention their details here


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21default Hurt people 'Hurt' People ! on Thu Mar 14, 2013 1:04 am

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Being one of the teaching staff in VHSE, I believe if you are good enough ,
you will be able to assist students in every possible way.
The So called "Chakkapan" need to visit and study some good schools before posting his grudge against his own colleagues.
I personally know many students who are working in various companies and govt. Organizations and we regularly benefit from the Alumni.
About the topic, Instead of finding out who is "Wasting Govt Money" and "Who is boiling his sh*t off", the writer should ask himself "What can I do to improve the situation in my school other than posting nonsense and wasting time typing that nonsense ".
If you really think merging is the solution to all our problems, I can only pray for you.
I know the directors of both VHS and HSS and almost 70% of the staff.
I don't think merging will drastically change people and their attitude.
Here is the statistics.
When 1% does all the work,
5% helps them,
10% complaints,
and the rest ignores.
Hope your dreams comes true....

22default Re: Merging- Why it has become invariable? on Thu Mar 14, 2013 9:14 pm

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അപ്പന്മാര്‍ക്കും അമ്മാവന്മാര്‍ക്കും ഉള്ള മറുപടി വെക്കേഷന്‍ സമയത്ത് തന്നേക്കാം. പരീക്ഷയും മറ്റു ചില വെബ്സൈറ്റ് ജോലികളും ചെയ്തു തീര്‍ക്കാനുണ്ട്. സ്റ്റാഫ്‌ ട്രാന്‍സ്ഫറിന്‍റെ ഓര്‍ഡര്‍ വന്നിട്ട് ദിവസം രണ്ടു കഴിഞ്ഞു. ആരും പോസ്റ്റ് ചെയ്യാത്തതിനാല്‍ തല്‍ക്കാലം അര്‍ജന്‍റ് ആയ ആ കാര്യത്തിലേക്ക്‌ നീങ്ങട്ടെ.


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23default Re: Merging- Why it has become invariable? on Thu Mar 14, 2013 9:20 pm

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We already did. 5 courses.
Also Exam work is up to date.
Hope you are applying for transfer Smile
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24default Re: Merging- Why it has become invariable? on Thu Mar 14, 2013 10:16 pm

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I have to apply for transfer. Congrats for your updated work in prompt time. But I am not a principal or a ministerial staff or IT Co ordinator and so no liability of such works related to School- Yet a member of this like sites relating to VHSE/UGC and some other exams and such works are pending

Anyway thanks to your response


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